Tsk Tsk Tsk ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Well my first real pic I have to thank 3 people who gave me some verbal tips ZeusII for giving me tips on eye shaping and hair texture ld! for actually telling me something doesn t suck and a quick tip on hair discyple for positive motivation and comments as i developed the picture (and trying to get me to re-do the shading to a toon-style ansi )) --Tsk