sOF! _____________ _________ __________ __ __ ___ __ _ ________ ____________ _____ ___ ________ __ _____ ___ __ _ ____ __ _____ __ __ _____________ __ ___________ _____ __ _____l______ bds _______ _______ _____l_____ acid _____________ -------------------------- ______ __ _ ------------------------------------- R E M O R S E ! A S C I I P R E S E N T S __ _ _ __ _ __ __ _ _ ____ _ ___ _ _______ _ ________ _ ___ _ __ _ _ __ _ _ _ _ _ tG _____ ________ ______ ____ ___________ ______ _ __ __ _ __ _ _ __ A H I R O P R O T A G O N I S T E X P O S E C A L L E D ____ ___ ____ __ __ _ _ _ _ _ ( (___ _ l___ ___ ___ _ hP! ______ ____ ______ ____ ___ _____ _____ ____ ____ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ (_ _ _ _ ( ( (___ _ (_ _ _ l___ ___ _ ___l ___l___ ___ _ ______ ____ ____ ______ ______ ______ ____ ___ ____ __ __ _ _ _ _ _ ( (___ _ l___ ___ ___ _ ______ ____ ______ D I E R I P P E R D I E ! I ve never made a file_id diz for the group called CLASS before I wouldn t even know who they are But let s just suppose for a minute I was going to do one It might look a little like this _ ______ _____ _ _______ ______ ______ _ ___ _ _ ____ _ ___ _ ___ ___ _ _ _ _ __ _ _ __ _ _ _ _ l _ l l l ____ _____ ___ ____ ____ hP! ____l=== ___l===l____ == ___l=== ___l= A simple and straight-forward example of a style of mine everyone became familiar with in my ascii collections In the Mouth of Madness (R-ITMOM TXT) and To Serve Man (R-TSM TXT) Now consider the following if you would made by Feral of NoName (F3-CLASS ASC - NoName pack #10) _ _________ ____ __ ____ ____________________ _ _ _____ ____ _ _ __ ______ ____ __ _ _ _ ____ _____ _ _ l _____ ___ ___ ___ ___ ----- ____i - ____ - ___ - ____ - ____l c L A S S - --- ----- ----- - - - (fERAL nONAME)-- Forgoing the fact that it s too wide for a file_id diz (it s 48 columns) uses control characters ( and both of which could cause strange results if they were fed through a bbs s internal file_id scanner) take a long hard look at it Or better yet look at this simplified version _ ______________ _________________________ _ _ _____ ____ _ _ __ ______ ____ __ _ _ ____ _____ _ _ _____ ___ ___ ___ ___ ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ And while you re at it consider the shading effects I used in the following logo (from R-TSM TXT) __ __ _ ____ _ _ ___ _ ____ __ ___ ___ _ _ _ _ __ _ ___ _ _ _ __ (___) _ _ ___ _ ___ _ ___)__ _ ___ hP! __ __ __ __ ___ ___ __ ___ ___ __ --- --- ---- __ --- --- ---- --- ---- Begining to see the picture But wait let s take a look at a technique Whodini developed a while ago _________________ ____ ____ ________ _________________ ________ _ __ __ _ _ _ _ __ __ _ __ _ _ 7 _ _) _ 7 _ _ ___ _) _ _ 7 _ 7 7 _ 7 7 _ _ J J _ l _ l l____ ________l____ _________l____ ________J ________J wH0l____J R l____J l____J Of particular interest for us in this case is Whodini s use of l and J which if you go back to Feral s original you ll see running rampant in style if not specific character (for you amiga peeps he s using an IBM high-bit character that looks like a J without the line on the top) So all this sparks the question of where does style influence become style ripping Personally I ld say Feral s original outlined here clearly crosses the line I ld never claim to have invented the vertical line shading technique that credit goes to Piromaniak and or Tinyz (they were the first I ever saw use it) but since we know so few of today s newbies have any idea who either either PMK or TZ is it s clear where that came from Feral s font also just happens to bear a striking resemblance to that old style of mine and it s quite easy to see he ripped my _ and _ point shading for the top ends of the C and S (for examples of this look in R-TSM TXT - it s everywhere in that particular colly) It s not often that I feel motivated to do one of these files despite the fact I see alot of rips floating around out there (especially those of old Lord Nitrogen styles and Megga Hertz s style) but this little disection was prompted by the fact that I had already caught Feral in a small rip (which he didn t release as far as I know) to which he replied he d be keeping his shit more original in the future So much for that I m more than willing to hear any explaination Feral might have for this although I honestly believe he can provide no rational explaination for the proof I ve presented here D E A T H T O T H E R I P P E R S ! $$$ $ s s#SS#s $$$$$ $$l #$P ^^ T$b s#S$$ $$$ $$$$ sS$$Ss d$$ d y$$$S $$$ $$$ $$ $$l ______ $$$ $$$ l$$l y#$$P ^ $$$ $ $$$ $$ l$$ s#SS#s s $$$P $$$ $$$ l$$$$P s#$$ $$$ $$$ $$$$$ $$l$P ^^ T$b s#S$$ dl $$$ $$$ $$l s$$$$$ $$$ $$$$$ $$$ $l l$$ d y$$$S $$$ $$$ $$$ $$$ l$$ $$$$$ $$$ $$$$$$$ $ $$$ $$l y#$$P ^ $$$ $$$$$ $$$ $$l l$$$ $$$ $$$$$$$$$ $$$$l l$$$$P s$$ $$$ $$$$$$$ $$$ _____l$$ $$ $$$ S$$b ___ $$$$ $$l g$$$$$ $$$ $$$$$$$$$ $$$ $$$$$$$l $ $$$$#SS#s $$ $$$$$l l$$ $$$$$ $$$ $$$$$$$$$$$ $$$ $$b ss $S ^ ^ $$S$$ ^ S$$$ $$l l$$$ $$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$P l$$$ $$b $b s#S$ $Sb Y$ $$S#s b l$$ $$ $$$ S$$$$$$$$ $$$ ^ $$b $$ __ $$ ^ T$$$Ss $$l $ $$$$#SS#s S$P $$$ $ $$ sSSs $$S * S$$$$$$ $S ^ ^ $$b $$$ s $$l$ l$ $b sSSs T$P ^ Y$$$$ $l $$ $$ d$ $b $b s Y$ dy l$ $l$$ $P l$ remorse1981 -- $l l$SS$ $$ d$*#$b $l too much posse l$ $$$ $ld$ $bl$ $l d$ $ __ $$$l $$ * l$ $$ K E E P I T R E A L W E R E W A T C H I N G @BEGIN_FILE_ID DIZ DIE RIPPER DIE 04-06-97 ____ ____ _________ _ _ ________ _ __ _ _ ___ __ _ --- _______ _ ___ _ _ --- -- ___ ___ _ _ _ ___ -- ____ __ _ __ -- pk kts _ -------- ____ ___________ - _ ____ _ _ - _ REMORSE 1981 __ ______ ___ Feral tarnishes the last NoName pack by ripping Hiro and Whodini read it all here! @END_FILE_ID DIZ eOF!